Re: UserMode Linux and Conserver (URL)

Go right ahead. I hope its useful!

When I first started using UML I was astounded by the difficulty in
managing them. Xterms! Telnet ports, all very ugly. Conserver bolts on
nicely and simplifies things immensely.

Russell

On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:39:29PM -0800, Zonker Harris wrote:
>   Nice write-up Adam. Mind if I point to this from my pages?
> 
>               -Z-
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: users-bounces@conserver.com [mailto:users-bounces@conserver.com]On
> Behalf Of Adams, Russell L.
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:08 PM
> To: users@conserver.com
> Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees?
> 
> Talk about a useful tool for servers, its also quite useful for
> virtual servers! I use conserver for console access to a slew of
> UML's. =]
> 
> http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/twiki/bin/view.cgi/HLUG/UsingConserverWithUserModeLinux
> 
> Russell
> 
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 02:38:25PM -0800, Zonker Harris wrote:
> >   Wow! And Phil's been on the list a few years! :-)
> > 
> >   When I started planning my first presentation for
> > LISA 2000, Conserver was 10 years old, and still a
> > 'best kept secret'. I was asking some admins why
> > Conserver was such a useful tool for them (how did
> > they find it invaluable). Many replied "How else
> > would you do it?" They had started out in shops
> > where Conserver was already deployed, and never
> > learned about crash carts, didn't have to wrestle
> > with serial settings, didn't have to walk or drive
> > to other sites when they wanted to check...
> > 
> >   Since USENIX withdrew my class, the material won't
> > be in the proceedings, or on the CD-ROM. Therefore, I
> > think I'm free to use it in other arenas. I'm not sure
> > if I can interest SANS in it, or some other USENIX-like
> > entity in another region of the world. If I don't
> > find any opportunities that I can take, I'd likely be
> > willing to let the folks here get at the PDF file
> > sooner than the usual 1-year waiting period I've used.
> > (I use the "Notes Pages" format in PowerPoint, to
> > include most of the talking points for each slide
> > as part of the class handbook. You'd still be missing
> > the demos and interactive portions of the class...)
> > 
> >   I started this thread to reach those that signed up
> > for LISA, but I'll probably share it with the group at
> > large, given that the discussion is generating attention.
> > 
> >      -Z- 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Dibowitz [mailto:phil@ticketmaster.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:26 PM
> > To: Christopher Fowler
> > Cc: Zonker Harris; users@conserver.com
> > Subject: Re: LISA 2005 attendees?
> > 
> > Christopher Fowler wrote:
> > > Thats because we are a dying bread.  Every young whipper snapper thinks
> > > that ssh or telnet is good enough.  They don't realize that problems can
> > > occur before the tcp/ip stack is operational.  They also don't realize
> > > how much it sucks to drive into downtown Atlanta at 4pm on a Friday to
> > > attach to the serial console of a Cisco switch because it has issues.
> > > Parking sucks too.  I made that trip once and that was it!
> > 
> > Hey - I beg to differ - age has nothing to do with it. I setup remote
> > console servers at a company where the machine room was next door to my
> > office using conserver+cycaldes. I'm 23.
> > 
> > One of the first thing I do at every company I've been at is setup
> > console servers. Everything should be able to be done remotely and
> > reliably. When I get called at 4am I don't want to have to drive
> > anywhere - that's a pain for me, and more downtime for the company.
> > 
> > Age has nothing to do with it. If you don't understand how and when
> > technology can fail, you're a poor and/or inexperienced admin. Short and
> > simple. I've seen plenty of 50 year olds make that mistake.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Phil Dibowitz
> > P: 310-360-2330 C: 213-923-5115
> > Unix Admin, Ticketmaster.com
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